Dementia-Supported Cruise to Improve Your Quality of Life
Are you missing out on a unique opportunity for rest and growth?
Kathy Speer Shoaf, owner of Elite Cruises and Vacations (https://www.elitecruisesandvacationstravel.com), is uniquely qualified to understand travel challenges and develop effective solutions. She has 20+ years of clinical and management experience in Geriatric, Neurology, Rehabilitation, and Senior Housing as a registered nurse and adaptive technology professional.
She is a Certified Dementia Educator, A Certified Accessible Travel Specialist, a Fellow at the American College of Healthcare, an Athena Nominated Senior Care Advocate, and an American Express Travel Agency Award Winner.
She personally accompanies each and every cruise group and sometimes even brings her parents along!
As a caregiver for a loved one with dementia, have you ever considered taking a cruise designed especially for your needs? Many caregivers feel overwhelmed by the constant demands of their role.
But what if there was a way to find respite, gain valuable education, and create joyful memories all at once?
A Refreshing Approach to Caregiving
Most discussions about dementia care focus on daily routines, medical advice, or managing symptoms. However, there’s a unique aspect of caregiving that often goes unnoticed – the need for both caregivers and their loved ones to enjoy life. That’s where dementia-supported cruises come in.
These cruises are not just about the destination; they’re about the journey. They offer a well-rounded experience combining relaxation, learning, and socializing in a supportive environment. Caregivers can finally take a break, knowing their loved ones are in safe, professional hands.
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Education Beyond the Usual
Unlike typical respite options, these cruises provide hands-on educational sessions tailored to the needs of dementia caregivers. Topics covered include effective communication strategies, managing challenging behaviors, and the use of music and movement therapy.
But the education doesn’t stop there. Caregivers have the chance to learn practical skills through real-life scenarios. Imagine learning new techniques for encouraging your loved one to engage in activities or manage daily tasks in a calm, encouraging environment.
Social Connections and Emotional Support
A vital part of these cruises is the sense of community they foster. Caregivers often feel isolated in their journey. On these cruises, you meet others who understand what you’re going through. This shared experience can create lifelong bonds.
Family members also benefit from these cruises. They have the opportunity to meet other families, share experiences, and form supportive networks. This camaraderie often continues long after the cruise ends, providing ongoing emotional support.
Respite that Truly Restores
Traditional respite options may provide a break, but they don’t always offer a fulfilling experience for both the caregiver and the loved one with dementia. On these cruises, dedicated professionals ensure your loved ones are engaged in activities that suit their interests and abilities. Whether it’s music therapy, beach outings, or simple games, these activities are designed to bring joy and stimulate the mind.
Creating Lasting Memories
Beyond the education and respite, these cruises focus on creating lasting memories. For many families, this is a chance to share joyful moments that might seem out of reach in their everyday routines. It’s not just about the excursions or onboard activities; it’s about cherishing the time together in a supportive setting.
If you’re a caregiver looking for a unique way to care for yourself and your loved one, consider the possibilities these cruises offer. They are more than a vacation – they are a chance to find rest, build knowledge, and create beautiful memories that last a lifetime.
For more information on how to join a dementia-supported cruise, visit Kathy’s website here: https://www.elitecruisesandvacationstravel.com.
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[0:01] What’s up, Christian caregiver? It’s Lizette, your dementia coach, and you are listening to Christian Dementia Caregiving, the podcast where I teach Bible-believing Christians how to make their dementia caregiving journey easier for them, how to ease the burden of caregiving. And in light of that, today’s episode is really an episode where we are going to unpack.
[0:31] Why taking a vacation on a cruise with your loved one with dementia is the best way to actually get an opportunity to have respite, education, as well as wonderful opportunities to make memories with your loved one. If you haven’t listened to episode 98, it is where I talked about my experience with Kathy related to a dementia-supported cruise. So I really want you to prayerfully think about this. I will be the keynote speaker on the cruise in January from the 4th of January to the 11th next January. So without further ado, welcome back to Christian Dementia Caregiving. Kathy and our conversation today is related to how a dementia-supported cruise can improve your quality of life as a caregiver.
[1:46] Well, Kathy, I am so excited that you’re back here this time. This is, you are, I think, only the second person I’ve had on for a second time on the podcast. So welcome back to Christian Dementia Caregiving. me. I am honored and excited and happy to get to be here. Wonderful. So Kathy, why don’t you tell us exactly how you got involved in the work that you do now because it is extremely unique and different and it is more than just a quote-unquote job. It’s truly a ministry. So tell people a little bit about that.
[2:30] I am a registered nurse. I am a geriatric neurology nurse. And I worked for years in senior living, home health, hospice. And I loved, I loved what I did. But after about 10 years as the director of a continuum of care facility, there was never a day that somebody was not angry.
[2:55] Either the peas aren’t cooked right somebody’s sitting in my seat i don’t have enough dimes to play bingo um my my daughter didn’t send the right color flowers it’s just like okay there had to be a way that no matter what the diagnosis people still get to enjoy every single day that god gives us yep and so every single day that god gives us we’re supposed to be here and there’s There’s a purpose, and I believe that my genuine purpose is to create travel experiences, joy for caregivers and their loved ones to be able to travel together, creating a respite opportunity for those caregivers with some amazing, concrete, solid education, which is where Lizette comes into my world, because we want to present things that actually are realistic and helpful.
[3:52] And at the same time, we’re creating some adult daycare programming and having a blast. My goal is to create wonderful lifelong memories for those of us who have struggled through this caregiving role and perfect happy moments for all of our loved ones. I can tell you that having been on one of the cruises earlier this year, I 100% could see that both in my own experience as well as the experience of the people that we were helping. It truly is.
The Joy of Cruising
[4:33] You have to have hair on your teeth in order to be you, Kathy, because it’s like juggling, it’s like herding cats. I mean, trying to keep everybody on track and sane and safe, because that’s a big part of this experience is ensuring both the safety of the people who are on the cruise, but the staff. And you do a tremendous job of juggling all of those pieces and really, I believe, giving the people who are on these supported cruises an experience of a lifetime that they will never forget. get.
[5:14] I just pray that every single family that we have the honor to work with takes away something that they feel and know was just the perfect opportunity. For sure. I’ve had many, many families travel with us numerous times. And in the same conversation, I’ve had numerous families Travel with us as this is the bucket list trip. So no matter how people look at it, we want to be there to create opportunities for real information, real help. A long time ago, way before COVID, a young lady looked at me almost at the end of an Alaskan cruise and said.
[5:57] Kath, if you have tootled us, watched after us, taken care of him, let us have an amazing, happy experience. We’ve had a blast but if you don’t give me something to hang on to when I leave this ship I’m leaving him here with you okay Ellie well we can’t do that so let’s figure out.
[6:17] So at that point I knew the programming has to be solid and it has to be relevant to what is going to help people maybe they don’t need it today but they might two weeks from now or two months from now. They just don’t know they need it yet. And the information that we try to impart is useful, helpful, honest, down to earth, and taught by accomplished professionals that have the skill set and the knowledge to actually present solid information.
Educational Components of the Cruise
[6:51] So over the several years that you’ve been doing these cruises, what kind of topics have you had in the educational component for people, because I’m going to talk about it in a couple of different ways. Number one, the education, and then we’re going to talk about the respite part of it, and then talk about the experience part of it, because it really is three very different goals or purposes behind each of them. But related to the education part, tell me a little bit about what kind of education over the years have you done?
[7:28] We work with when and how, and how do we appropriately and when can we use hospice? We talk about managing difficult behavior situations that can include refusal to take a shower, non-interest in eating, refusal to take medications. We work with self-care for these caregivers because it’s absolutely mandatory. I mean, that sounds so romantically wonderful, but it is important and it is mandatory that all of us take that moment to let your heart rate come back to normal. And I am your poster child because I didn’t do that. And it’s eventually your body says, look, you idiot.
[8:14] And God did not create our bodies to just be on high alert, high adrenaline constantly. So we have to step back. We do a lot of music therapy. I try to teach music therapy options and explain and show and demonstrate to the right with their loved ones. How do we make this work? Why does it work? How does it how does it trigger different thoughts, attitudes and actions and then demonstrate how they can make it work even in public? So, I mean, we try to be very realistic. We do movement and music because the more our bodies move, the healthier we’re going to stay, the longer we’re going to be able to move. We work with a lot of Parkinson’s people that also have dementia or some that don’t have Parkinson’s dementia.
[9:05] And, you know, once again, moving is just mandatory. When we’re in the Caribbean, like we will be in January, Holland, America’s private island is definitely my favorite spot. That was my favorite spot too. And beach wheelchairs and picnics in the sand. And I don’t care if they’re seeing in the hot dog, it was just amazingly fun. Just in an amazing, happy situations. And we use all of those to demonstrate a lot of neuroplasticity. How do we use sight, sound, taste, smell to open up different neural pathways? And to just bring people back to the moment, I don’t remember if I mentioned this on the previous podcast, but I know that I’ve told you this story. As I was flying home after the last cruise, I was on the airport and right next to me sitting where I was having my dinner, there was a couple and we struck up a conversation and it came about that they were on our cruise with us. And then, you know, I kind of told them what I had done there. And they’re like, we were next to you on the beach. We were next to you on the beach. We watched you the whole time. And I’m like, oh, they’re like, it was amazing. Amazing.
[10:28] So these are people who have like no skin in the game. You know, they’re not caregivers. They were on vacation.
[10:38] And providentially, they were right where we were, where we had the beach wheelchairs, where we had the people that we were helping. And they’re like, what struck them? I said, what did they notice? They’re like, how much fun the people who were being helped were having and how much fun we as the staff were having with the people that we were helping. And they were also extremely complimentary of the fact that we had taken them out onto the beach and still continued to have them live. So it was a tremendous, wonderful testimony that we don’t necessarily think about as we’re going through something like this because we’re living in the moment. But what struck me about the whole conversation is there are too many people who are hiding their person, living with some sort of something away because they’re embarrassed or because they don’t want to embarrass that person or whatever the reason is. But there’s no reason for us to do that. We can continue to go out into the community and continue to live. So a lot of solid education, a lot of various different things,
Respite for Caregivers
[12:00] depending on the crews, lots of different professional speakers.
[12:04] And then related to the respite side. So for people who are listening who might only understand respite as, you know, maybe, Maybe, you know, somebody going to an adult day program or going to a facility for respite for a period of time. How do we do the respite on the crews?
[12:25] Well, first of all, we actually take with us dementia-trained activity specialists, sometimes one, sometimes two, just depending upon the number of clients that we have. And we create programming that’s actually person-centered. So they are in the process right now of calling each and every client and talking with the caregiver about what does mom do when she’s home? What does she enjoy doing? What kind of music does she like? What are her activities when she’s at another facility elsewhere? You know, so that when we get onto the ship, we are prepared to keep her comfortable, confident, engaged in what she’s interested in and then truly just happy. I mean, our goal is to take the caregivers and do something with them that’s going to be a blast. But when they come back, when the daycare time is over, I need their loved ones to be smiling, laughing, and just having fun. And so, you know, sometimes they’re doing coordination skills with the ball. They’re doing some exercises. They’re doing music stuff. It totally depends on the group. Sometimes the groups are divided into two separate areas so that one’s doing puzzles and one’s doing movement. It just depends on their skill and their ability and their interest.
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[14:27] Oh, I love that. It was as an occupational therapist from background, my job was always to correct, right? That’s what we’re supposed to do. We’re supposed to correct and make people better or work on the cognitive skills and improve, right? And what was so refreshing and rewarding for me, and even in facilities when activities people work with people, there is a tendency we have a tendency of correcting people when when we’re playing a game or whatever and i’ll never forget i still to today do not know how to play uno which is good because i fly by the seat of my pants i just play uno i yeah well i so we played a game and we we made up a game me and the the gentleman and two two gentlemen and lady that that i was with that day. And we had a blast. We had a blast. We totally had no rules to the game. And every single person won one of the hands of cards. We played three rounds of cards and all of them won. And every single one of them enjoyed themselves.
[15:38] And what I found fascinating because we totally took all of the cognitive demands away from them related to the task. It was very fluid. You know, And, you know, they’re like, well, which card do you think I should play? I’m like, oh, I don’t know. Which one do you think? And then they would play the card. I’m like, that was the best card. And everybody was just so engaged.
[16:02] And it was such a lovely reminder to me that.
[16:07] We just need to meet the person living with dementia where they are, because their retained abilities, yes, the rules didn’t make sense. Yes, nobody followed any rules, but they were socially engaged. They were bantering with one another. They were bantering with me. You know, they were hiding their cards because they didn’t want anybody to see. They did everything that a normal person would in a game other than understanding the rules. And so it was such a refreshing way to connect with people in a different way.
Making Lifelong Memories
[16:46] It was that card game was probably one of my most favorite parts of the entire cruise. And there are a lot of them, you know, notwithstanding the food, you know, that is just an entirely different subject. But okay so the education we’ve talked about the rest now talk about the what was the third one since i’ve slept reactivity the social the social yes oh no the making memories the making memories part it was you know one of the benefits of the cruise is the people on the cruise all of the participants. The families get to know one another. They get to make lifelong friends with each other.
[17:32] Several of the people on the cruise, I don’t know if you know this, but there’s several of those people that are still in contact with me. They form friendships on their own. The families support each other and they support the person that they are taking care of. And it’s just.
[17:53] For people who have not had this experience, it truly is a one-in-a-lifetime situation or opportunity to go on one of these cruises that take all of the pressure off of the family caregiver to plan it and think through it and organize it. They really just come and enjoy themselves. selves. And I just think it is a tremendous ministry. So thank you for what you’re doing.
[18:26] We work really hard to create those social experiences, caregiver circles, group dinner seating, you know, mix it up every night so that everybody’s sitting with different people, you know, set it up so that we’re going on an excursion the next day all together. So, you know, some of the families would like one of my staff to join them on special excursions and that and then we just make that happen. They have support whenever they want it, 24-7. Registered nurse support 24-7. But if they don’t want it, then we just let them have their family time. So everybody handles it different and everybody seeks to have different experiences. I have an extended family that’s booked on the January cruise and she’s already planning what she gets to do with her adult kids and their spouses while they get to be with dad. And it’s just, it’s just wonderful watching her create this experience that she wants so badly for her family and for, for her husband, who is very young. I mean, it’s, you know, they, they are, they’re finding ways to still live and seek happiness, which is what we’re really after.
January Cruise Details
[19:44] For sure. So tell us about the January cruise.
[19:49] It will sail January 4 through January 11, 2025. It is on Holland America, which is a very lovely ship, and I use Holland America a lot. They provide for us what we need when we’re on that ship. Additional support, they are staffed at one person to every two travelers. So, there is a waiter, a cabin steward available anytime you want one. We are going to be Eastern Caribbean. So, it has a fantastic itinerary. It’s seven days long. And we are actively booking it now.
[20:36] Winter opportunities to go to the Caribbean are incredibly popular. And so, there’s, I mean, everybody just wants out of this. So, you know, it’s going to book up quickly, not necessarily from our part, but Holland America is going to book it. And then we won’t have any more availability of space. I do have a group. I do have group space. I have group rates that I can extend to all family members. So when you guys look on our website, those rates are with our professional support. And the extended family members or friends that would like to join you, come and enjoy my group, Contractual Rates with the Cruise Line, which is far beneficial to what they can locate elsewhere. Oh, for sure. We want the extended families to come. We want people to come and listen and work with Lizette. We want them to be with us and have fun with their loved one. But we also want you guys to all take off and go to wine tasting. And I will be happy to volunteer to go with.
[21:42] You know, those kind of activities happen while we’re doing the adult day programming. You know, those kind of extremely fun experiences. You know, we’re all there for spa day. Let’s all just go to the spa. Let’s hang out in the afternoon. Let’s just enjoy, you know, all of the moments of happiness that we can come up with. Holland America has an aqua spa on that ship and it’s just it’s just wonderful it is this is a new ship from Holland America um it it is set up so that all of the state rooms have a walk-in shower, it’s very very nice very beautiful walk-in showers though so every single state room can be.
[22:28] Accommodated with an elevated toilet seat, detachable shower head, shower chair in the bathrooms. So those pieces can always be added. And we are also readily renting scooters, wheelchairs, transport chairs for people that don’t want to bring them with them. Then we just rent one and it shows up in your cabin miraculously. It is very miraculous how things just show up in your cabin. I’m like, the logistics on these cruises are phenomenal. Like.
[23:03] They’re almost Amazon worthy. You know, it’s like Amazon just shows up at your door and you don’t know how it got there. Things just happen on the cruise that are, that I’m like, I thought about it a lot as we were on the cruise, how well the staff really are trained on those cruises. They do a phenomenal job. So with this particular cruise in January and anybody who is listening, who is interested in doing this, there’s absolutely no pressure, but it’s not one of these things that you can wait until December to do. If you are interested, you need to speak to Kathy and see how it can fit into your life and your schedule. Because I know from the previous cruise we went on, those other cabins get booked up and then we get capped. You get capped with how many people you can support port because there’s not enough room. There’s only a certain amount of room on the ship. But one of the things that Kathy and I have been talking about related to this particular cruise is the education component.
[24:07] And I’ve started thinking about it. I haven’t prepared anything yet, but I’m really concentrating and thinking on how can we make it a very interactive learning opportunity for families related to the oftentimes difficult behaviors people experience, like Kathy was mentioning, things like struggling to eat or not wanting to eat anymore, weight loss, or all of those kinds of things. And so my purpose behind the education on this one is to do very short educational style presentations, but then really do a lot of practical application and question and answer because then people can actually have the ability to try different techniques and we can coach people through how to better be able to communicate with the person that they’re taking care of. So just viable, practical, usable.
[25:12] Ideas, thoughts, suggestions. It’s not a rule book we’re sending home with you. It’s just stuff that you’re going to need. You just don’t necessarily know that you’re going to need it yet, but it’s, it’s going to, it’s all going to come around. And unfortunately we haven’t cured this disease. So we will, we have to figure out how to deal with it one day at a time. So the other thing I didn’t mention is that my company, Kathy, the group that we take will be supported with professionals at a ratio of one professional to every three travelers.
[25:52] So there will be more than just Lizette and me. There will be another RN at least. There will be an activity director I mentioned. There will be several men that are very, very helpful. we meet and greet every single family at the airport, assist with luggage, accompany you back to the group hotel. On the other side of that, we also provide accompanied flights. So anybody that just really thinks that this is too far to get to Fort Lauderdale, we will provide accompanied flights. And that’s part of our additional programming availability. The other piece of what we can do is provide additional assistance in the cabin. We can provide additional hands-on dressing and bathing assist at a minimal hourly fee. As long as I know that we need to do that, then that kind of structure is absolutely available.
[26:50] You know, it’s the detail. It’s the detail that goes into this, Kathy, you know, hands down, that makes your cruises so successful for families.
[27:01] You know, I mean, I’ve had one experience. It was a wonderful experience. And I just remember how much detail went into the planning. So anybody who’s listening, who understands, you know, logistics or going on vacation, imagine doing that for a group of 32 people and making sure that everybody has a phenomenal experience. So I just, I, I just think it’s, I really, really want, like, I’m an occupational therapist, background in training, right? And it totally changed my world. Like I really cannot tell you how much being on that cruise with all of those families and the people living with dementia how much that changed me it because when we’re in a professional setting in an institution everyone looks at life differently and and when our goal of the day is to to make them have create a happy situation, give those caregivers an amazing respite, you know, create a caregiver circle that actually comes out with information that they need. You know, that.
[28:26] It’s a different way to look at things. I hope that some of your listeners attend caregiver circles in their local communities. But it’s a different setting when you’re realizing that, yes, we can still enjoy life. Even though there’s a diagnosis, we still can.
[28:44] Right. Oh, for sure. And I think that’s one of the reasons Kathy and I get along so well is because we both come from the mindset that, yes, it can be difficult, but it doesn’t need to decimate people’s lives. We can continue to have a good quality of life and make meaningful memories and meaningful relationships with one another. And like I said, you know, the people on the cruise make lifelong friends with other people who have been through a similar experience as them, because it is difficult when you are going through a caregiving journey and your peers, your friends, your other, you know, distant family or whatever, if they have not been through an experience like you have, it can feel very isolating. But the people who are experiencing this with you lets you realize that you’re not alone and that you don’t need to be alone and that there’s hope after the caregiving journey. There’s still life after caregiving. And that’s another piece of what we will do in 25. We are going to create cruise events for caregivers that have completed this journey. Because that’s a whole separate conversation. And once this journey has completed, we do need to figure out where our world sits and what our plan is for our future.
[30:13] For us to go forward successful. It’s interesting that you bring this up. Recently, I had a conversation with a woman who became a, she’s in her fifties, her husband was diagnosed with cancer and she wrote a book and it’s called Come Home Alive, I believe. And I had a long conversation with her and what she said to me is, you know, the thing, and I actually never thought about caregiving in this particular way, but it is a very apt analogy. Caregiving is like trying to hike up a mountain, and that’s what we’re focused on to get through caregiving, right? Is we’re going, we’re traipsizing up this mountain, and we’re carting around all of the tools that we need to get up the mountain. And after caregiving, we still need to be able to get down the mountain, but nobody’s concentrating on how to help people get down the mountain after caregiving. It’s like, okay, you’re a caregiver, boom, you’re not a caregiver anymore.
[31:12] But there’s no, how do you get down the mountain? How do you reintegrate and use all of the things that you have learned and the experiences that you have gone through and how do you integrate them into the person that you are now and that you’re going to be? And how do you do that in a a healthy and wholesome and good way so that you don’t regret the journey that you have been on because ultimately, the journey that you’re on turns you into the person that you are, that you’re going to be and that you’re going to become. So I’m very excited for the caregiver, for the cruises for caregivers who are, beyond their caregiving journey to help them regain or understand better how to assimilate that into, into being a strong, resilient person. And that I can, I feel that in my own life and I certainly understand.
Life After Caregiving
[32:15] Yeah. It’s a, it’s a huge change and a huge step and it’s frightening. It really is. Yeah. Well, there’s a lot of life that’s frightening, isn’t there?
[32:30] This is one of them. No, I understand. I understand. Well, do you have any last parting ideas or things that you’d like people to know about dementia-supported? And I always say dementia-supported cruises because that’s kind of my world, but it’s not just for living with dementia. It can really be anybody who is requiring caregiver assistance that could benefit. For people who are interested in this particular cruise in January, what is a good timeline for them to actually make a decision and get going on it that’s reasonable? I know people have to think through some of this, right? Well, there’s a special reason to think about it right now because Holland America has created an option to deposit this and most cruises for $25. So you can choose the cabin and pick the one you want and hold it for $25 and complimentary gratuities.
[33:41] Through September 2nd. Oh, that is wonderful. So I highly recommend that you look at it, think about it, see what it feels like to you.
[33:53] Your $25 is completely refundable up until the final payment date, which is October the 1st. So you are not losing your $25, but for simply $25, you can hold the cabin that you choose and figure out the details and figure out the rest of it. Right. Yeah. And even if it goes beyond that, it’s going to be $350, which is completely refundable, 100% refundable up until that date of October 1. So if you put down some money and look at the cabin that you think works for you, I guess I didn’t completely explain. There There are completely wheelchair-accessible cabins available. There are not very many, but there are some.
[34:41] And they come in all categories. So the pricing of these cruises is really sincerely based on the kind of cabin that you want to be in. Obviously, an inside cabin without a window is much cheaper than a veranda with a balcony. But I do want to caution having no window and no light and no reference of day and night is not what I recommend for clients that have a cognitive challenge. So I highly recommend that you look at least at an ocean view. And there are many categories of verandas. And there are some suites left that are still available.
[35:23] Wonderful. Well, I’m so glad that you said the date because this helps me change my podcast sequence so that we will have this episode out early next week. That’d be great. I think that that gives people the chance to look at it, look at the website, call me, talk to me, ask questions. There are no silly questions just keep asking we will just keep explaining how it works what we do and how we solve the problems that you are having in your personal lives because none of us are walking through this journey on the same path and I’m fully aware of that so I need to listen to you guys I need to hear what’s happening I need to hear what’s going on so that we can provide the appropriate assist that you are looking for.
How to Connect with Kathy
[36:17] And so for people who are interested that want to reach out to you, your website will be in the show notes, but it’s Elite…
[36:30] EliteCruisesAndVacationsTravel.com, EliteCruisesAndVacationsTravel.com And we will put that in the show notes and people will get emails related to it as well. And then the other thing is, if you would like to just have a conversation with Kathy, she’s pretty accessible by cell phone. You put your phone number on everything I see. So do you want to let people know what your phone number is? Is it’s 219-608-2002 and that’s the direct line to my office and when i’m not in my office as i’m not right now because i’m caring for my dad i have it sitting right here okay so just repeat it again for people 219.
[37:20] 219-608-2002. 219-608-2002. And that’ll go, if I don’t answer it, it’ll go straight to voicemail. And there’s been a couple calls since we’ve been talking. And I will simply call those people back when we’re done. Awesome. I am so excited about this. I am so excited to be able to now put on my resume. I was a keynote speaker. I’m going to be a keynote speaker. So I’m very excited about the opportunity.
[37:49] So it’s going to be fantastic. It’s going to be wonderful. We just need to get the word out to people that are interested and would love to have some experiences that are genuinely joyful with their loved ones. Awesome. Well, Kathy, thank you so much yet again for being here. I appreciate you beyond belief. And we will be putting all of your information in the show notes, and I will make sure that we broadcast this as wide and far as we can for other people to hear about so that we can get the, you know, what a tremendous deal for people by the 2nd of September. So I’m very excited about that. So just give me a call. I’m happy to explain it. And I certainly answer the phone on Saturdays. It’s not a problem. them wonderful all right well thank you yet again for being here you’re so welcome thanks honey.
